PERMAI 5A1

[TypeR]

There are 95 units only.

[beekay]

2 guards not enough. more likely 4 coz guards still have to sleep and have off-days. so it should be RM2880x4=RM11520/month. Divided by 95 houses, each house only pay rm121/month. Cheap!

[BK5resident]

2 guards not enough. more likely 4 coz guards still have to sleep and have off-days. so it should be RM2880x4=RM11520/month. Divided by 95 houses, each house only pay rm121/month. Cheap!

That not how it works. Security company will charge 30days irrespective of off day etc. You paying for service and coverage not the actual person so they will rotate accordingly.

The calculation I provided is 2 guards per shift meaning you have 4 diff guards in 24 hrs. They work from 7am to 7pm and 7pm to 7am. Each shift you have 2 guards. For 100 house, its enough since Permai only single entry/exit.

Your calculation above is for 8 guards in 24hrs.... and assuming you all your 95 residence is paying. Be happy if you can get 70% of them....

[TypeR]

One of the reasons I am moving out from an apartment is to get rid of paying monthly maintenance dues, and now here I am stuck in the same situation in a landed place. RM121 is too much. If that's the cost, I'd rather be responsible for my own security by taking passive precautions only own house. To each his own. I don't want to be saddled with anymore additional monthly payments, not with the upcoming interest rate hikes. Not everyone who lives in landed property is that rich. I don't understand the fuss u folks hv over this G&G concept. If it's not affordable then I say fark it.
Just my 2 cents.

[beekay]

I can understand your situation. When you bought the house, nowhere it said got maintenance fees, now suddenly there is maintenance fees for guards. You feel cheated and disappointed. Yes not all people who buy Permai is rich, some buy it taking 95% loan 30 years, with a heavy financial burden. This is Permai, not Oasis or Awana8.

One of the reasons I am moving out from an apartment is to get rid of paying monthly maintenance dues, and now here I am stuck in the same situation in a landed place. RM121 is too much. If that's the cost, I'd rather be responsible for my own security by taking passive precautions only own house. To each his own. I don't want to be saddled with anymore additional monthly payments, not with the upcoming interest rate hikes. Not everyone who lives in landed property is that rich. I don't understand the fuss u folks hv over this G&G concept. If it's not affordable then I say fark it.
Just my 2 cents.

[BK5resident]

Don't let Beekay calculation confuse you as I have corrected on his nos. It should be half of that. Some will pay and some will not. The higher the participation rate, the lower it get. It may even hit below RM70 if 90 household is paying.

I know its not easy to have to pay for this monthly fees, but I can tell you the first 3 yrs of any new landed properties are very HOT among thieves. Help yourself by supporting your Permai RA. If you can't afford to pay, at least pay with your effort and time such as volunteer to be a committee.

I believe Permai already come with alarm from PKB but I can tell you its useless because its only a magnetic sensor. The good thing is you can recycle all their wall concealed wire connection for a better alarm system with shock/vibe sensor and also motion sensor for the attic and will call your mobile when its goes off.

If its the same as Vector brand, to add the shock/vibe sensor and calling function, it will cost easily another 1-2k depending on how many points.

One of the reasons I am moving out from an apartment is to get rid of paying monthly maintenance dues, and now here I am stuck in the same situation in a landed place. RM121 is too much. If that's the cost, I'd rather be responsible for my own security by taking passive precautions only own house. To each his own. I don't want to be saddled with anymore additional monthly payments, not with the upcoming interest rate hikes. Not everyone who lives in landed property is that rich. I don't understand the fuss u folks hv over this G&G concept. If it's not affordable then I say fark it.
Just my 2 cents.

[BK3 resident]

Thanks BK5resident for your valuable input and suggestions. 

Hopefully we have more active members from Permai in this forum.  We need volunteers to form the Pro Tem committee first and having said that, it has to be done urgently as the one month's extension is soon to be over.

Most residents are still doing their renovation and will be completed in 2 to 3 month's time and looks like we need to wait and see their response.   What we can do now is to ask all who have moved in to decide the next course of action.

TypeR, have you moved in to your unit? 

[TypeR]

Points noted. Not yet moved in, preparing for reno project now. I travel often for work so it's taking longer than anticipated.

[Foong]

I am a Permaian too. With all due respects to beekay and Type R, I could understand the burden we would have to engage the security guards. But it is not very fair to say that we were "cheated" of this so call "maintenance" fees and "fuzz over the Guarded and Gated concept". BK5 resident and BK3 resident only offered their suggestions on how to make Permai a safer place to live, it is again not fair to say that "Not everyone who lives in landed property is that rich". I have seen for few instances that the so call "rich" peoples are of the extremely stingy type. I am not rich too but we have to prioritise on certain things that we should not tolerate, such as security issues. Yes we could of course take some passive precautionary measures but I could tell you the pain and the trauma that you might have experienced if any undesirable roberry takes place. We dont mind the loss that we would suffer because we could make it back again, but it is the casualties and to the worst extent "life threathening" incidende that is going to haunt us forever. I have a friend who had experienced the worst scenario and I can guarantee you that you would never want to go through that yourself. Let practice some democracies here in our Permai, let the majority decide whether we need to have our security guards or not and then all of us stick by the collective decisions. Of course some of us doesnt want to abide by the decision and it is their freedom to do so but I would ask my fellow Permaian to ponder over the Spirit of Neighbourhood. A caring and united neighbourhood would help you in great deal in the future. If you decide not to join in, you are in your own island.

I can understand your situation. When you bought the house, nowhere it said got maintenance fees, now suddenly there is maintenance fees for guards. You feel cheated and disappointed. Yes not all people who buy Permai is rich, some buy it taking 95% loan 30 years, with a heavy financial burden. This is Permai, not Oasis or Awana8.

One of the reasons I am moving out from an apartment is to get rid of paying monthly maintenance dues, and now here I am stuck in the same situation in a landed place. RM121 is too much. If that's the cost, I'd rather be responsible for my own security by taking passive precautions only own house. To each his own. I don't want to be saddled with anymore additional monthly payments, not with the upcoming interest rate hikes. Not everyone who lives in landed property is that rich. I don't understand the fuss u folks hv over this G&G concept. If it's not affordable then I say fark it.
Just my 2 cents.

[Foong]

Hi Gogo,

I saw that too few weeks back and according to someone it was actually a work of our Permaian. Even though it is hard for me to believe that the Permaian would actually pollute the very enviroment that they fell in love and the reason why they bought a unit of Permai in vicinity to the forest. I might be wrong into presuming that our Permaian did that but whatever it is please preserve the beauty of our nature.

ALL PERMAIAN, Please ask the contractor to STOP all the dirty work!!
 
The slope at last row of the corner house has became a small dump site since few weeks back.

[always]

HI There, sorry i am away from KL at the moment and i am alright for the service charge on the security guards. any update you could sent me email at eddielaikc@gmail.com

Thanks

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[beekay]

An advice: pay for more expensive guards, not those cheap old skinny guards. Dont stinch! If you pay peanuts for guards, their service terrible, might as well not have guards. Pay more for guards who actuall do ronda ronda around the neighbourhood instead of just sit at entrace. Dont stinch! Dont be penny wise, pound foolish 

[BK3 resident]

Hi Permaian

We do not have any security guards for the last three days as PKB had stopped their service effective 1.3.2010. 

I have tried to write to them again requesting for another month's extension but was rejected. There are now about 20 occupants and hopefully by April there will be more moving in after their renovations.  It is sad to note that most Permaians did not response or provide feedback but chose to be in their "own island" like what Foong had mentioned earlier.  I hope this will not be the case if more residents moved in.

Meanwhile I have tried to contact "COPS", a non profit organisation to assist us to do patrolling at Permai but for how long, I am not sure.   You may visit their website at www.cops.org.my.

http://www.cops.org.my/indexeng.php

BTW, Foong, have you moved in?

Regards,

[spider]

As the old saying goes....'pay peanuts and you get monkeys'. actually, I have seen real monkeys roaming in permai when on a drive there one sunday morning.

As for the  expiry of guard services in permai all i can say is wait for one unfortunate incident to take place and all permaians will then wake up. that's human nature. it doesn't matter whether you have 20 or 200 occupants. seldom you get a group of residents who is pro-active. we are usually either active or passive. good luck to you permaians!

[TypeR]

The real guards, paid for by all you taxpayers will be ready in the new IPD across the road. I don't know about you guys, but I'm not really keen on this G&G nonsense. Looking at other G&G illegally set up elsewhere in USJ and PJ there has been lots of discontent and dissent. To each his own. If you wIsh to pay for a bunch of dodgy foreigners to protect your property by all means go ahead on your own but please do not force others who are not keen on to do so, or by describing "non-participants" as islands or what not. You proponents of this concept should go but a house in Tropicana or somewhere similar, you hv proper manned security systems there. 

To get Gurkhas are a different story though, but they do cost a bomb.